Insulation And Roofing

Besides feverishly rewatching Heroes, I’ve gotten back into working on Oliver’s Nest with a vengeance.  The last three days I got all the wool insulation into the walls (minus the missing wall behind the truck cab). It was dusty and my eyes aren’t happy, but it’s all in.  Although easy to work with, by using the provided netting, I still recommend having another pair of hands to move things along faster.  It took me about 8 to 10 hours total, and with help, I think it would take less than half that.  Here’s some pictures showing the progress (wordpress wants them in this order, no matter what I try):

I had to cut and frame the back fuel intake door before putting in the insulation, so that’s another task off the list.

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Back fuel intake door finally cut and framed.

It’s been mostly sunny so I tackled the roof, too.  I laid on plastic, flashed the skylight over that, and then placed the metal roofing panels.  As I still need to insert flashing around the sides, I didn’t screw the panels down.  I’ll be putting in the flashing tomorrow.  The rest of the roof will be harder to cover as I’ll need to cut down the panels.  I envision lots of cuts in my hands come then!  Here’s what I did with the roof today:

Finally, I cut down the door, which was super easy and didn’t take much time at all.  The doorknob holes that were partially cut away obviously needed to be filled so I cut round plugs from the cut-off sections and puttied them in.  I’m sure it will take a few days for them to dry, and will take a few layers to fill completely.  I think this was a good solution to the problem, even though a little messy  .I’m afraid I won’t be able to make it into a dutch door now, as the only place large enough for the new doorknob is where the split would have been.  I’m disappointed but happy I didn’t ruin the door when I cut it, so it’s all right. 🙂

I have a strong feeling of time running out.  All I can do is take the anxiety meds I’m supposed to, and work, and try to think as positively as possible.  And, do my best not to think of all the months wasted by being depressed and hiding in bed.  I’ve said it before and I’m saying it again: Major Depressive Disorder sucks!  At least I’m okay for now, which is all one can hope for.  I’m even happy…I’m enjoying being busy and working on my project again!

Do yourself a favor and try something scary/exciting sometime.  It’s a great feeling and I think it’s good for the soul. 🙂

Progress

I totally support reusing materials, I want to start with that.  But, it’s a LOT more work!


After hours of scraping and sanding and puttying, the old wood windows are now set aside while I wait for the putty to dry.  Seriously, hours.  I think they look pretty good now, and by the fourth window I felt like a glazing master. 🙂  Once the glazing putty is dry, which takes up to two weeks, I’ll fill in the spaces left by the old opening mechanisms with wood putty.  After that is dry, I’ll finally be able to paint and see what I’ve got.  I’m feeling really good about getting back to work.  Too much laying around with the boys, watching Netflix this winter!

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Proton and big Leo hanging out watching Netflix with me

Once the windows were out of the way, I took another look at the metal roofing panels.  I had tried using paint remover to take off the black chunks of old roofing tar/adhesive, which failed.  I never washed that off, and it actually did make it easier to chip off all the gook.  It only took a few days, and some scrapes and cuts (I’ll never learn to wear gloves), and the panels are now ready to be used.  Another task checked off!

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Shiny and clean

Currently, I’m working on the door, which is going to take a lot of work.  Taking off the old paint and sanding isn’t really what’s going to be difficult, it’s cutting the door down to size that I’m not looking forward to.  So dusty, and I’m working indoors due to how wet it is outside…oh the mess that will be made…. I’m definitely wishing I’d just made the door opening larger.  I didn’t because I wanted more wall space inside.  Sigh.  Once this is done, I’ll be happy with the decision, probably, but for now I’m kicking myself.
So, everyone?  Wish for warmer, drier weather for me?  Thanks!

Taking Advantage Of The Late Summer Weather

Well.  It’s always something, right?  I’m now down to a single battery for my 18 volt Makita tools, which ISN’T ENOUGH JUICE!  Plus, the last battery seems to be on it’s last legs.  So, onto Amazon to purchase a couple more.  Three was perfect, but I bought a two-pack which should get me through to the end of this build.  In the meantime…

I’m pulling out all of the wool insulation from where it’s been stored for the last (too many) years, and spreading it out on tarps to get any last soggy bits dried out.  There’s so much of it!  As the mounds dry I’ll pack it into large garbage bags to store inside, now that I have an inside to store stuff in. 🙂

I’m working on the reclaimed windows, sanding them down, making repairs to ensure the glass is in there securely, and stripping the multiple layers of paint off in preparation of painting them.  It’s a task that’s needed to be done, and I’d rather do it outside anyway.  The stripper I have is supposedly OK to use indoors, but fresh air is always better, in my opinion.

And, until the last battery gives out, I’m slowly (oh, so slowly) cutting down the french doors into windows.  Yep!  If I’m able to keep my original Tiny House on the trailer, I’ll just buy another set.  For now, I have a plan for this set, which I’m not going to share yet, in case it’s a disaster.  I can only take so much public humiliation, you know?  Either the wood is really solid and heavy, or the single surviving battery really is dying, as it’s taking forever to cut, and the battery is only lasting a few minutes of laborious work, plus is getting really hot.  I might have an electric circular saw around here somewhere…I’ll have to look tomorrow.  I have an electric drill for sure.  Gosh I hope the battery lasts for a few more days, until the new ones come.

So that’s it.  Enjoying the weather, and making the best use of it that I can.  I’m staying out of bed, feeling pretty OK with life right now, and other than a very sore hand, getting over the scooter crash in good time.  Life is not too bad!

UPDATE:  This morning, I was gathering my tools together, and my last battery has died.  Sure hope I can find that circular saw I thought I saw somewhere….

A few pictures:

Here's the first french door to be cut down.

Here’s the first french door to be cut down.  Being old doors, the wood is loose already, so I’ll need to tighten things up.  The other door has a broken pane and I’ll deal with that after cutting it down, as it will be much easier to get the glass out then.

And here it is after being cut down and glued with Liquid Nails. You can see the two clamps pulling it tight together while the glue dries. Then I'll strip the paint off and reseal the glazing to make sure it stays put. I like the proportions!

And here it is after being cut down and glued with Liquid Nails. You can see the two clamps pulling it tight together while the glue dries. Then I’ll strip the paint off and reseal the glazing to make sure it stays put. I like the proportions!

Perfectly Good Isn’t Necessarily Perfect

Wow it’s hot outside!  I am afraid of gettiig heat exhaustion and hurting myself again.  Or at least that’s what I tell myself as I watch Buffy and drink iced coffee on my multiple breaks from working 🙂

I am not good at precision with power tools.  I’m getting better, but my work isn’t pretty and probably never will be.  I console myself by thinking of the amazing houses built before precision tools were available.  On the carpenter forums, professionals are always talking about having to “eyeball” levels and straightness in old homes, stating that it’s better to do that so things look good, than to actually be level but look askew.  In other words, perfectly good homes aren’t necessarily perfect.

Using reclaimed materials necessitates compromise.  There might be gouges, scrapes, nail holes, etc in otherwise useable goods.  As you can see in the pictures, the 4×4 I’m using has metal connector pieces still attached, which I couldn’t figure out how to take off.  The lumber is square and true, no dry rot or any damage, but it has these big metal “things” on it.  What to do?  I’ll tell you, cut off what you can and smash flat the rest with a hammer. Problem solved.

The next puzzle was how to firmly join the planks with the joists I cut today.  The solution here?  Push all the planks forward so the ends are hanging off the metal frame, then clamp each one individually to the doubled end-joists in order to get them firmly screwed into place. One screw in the front joist, one in the back joist on each plank.  Of course this must be done by leaning out and over the edge (basically upside down) to use the screwdriver, as I couldn’t reach the area from below, unless I stood on the hood of the Beast.  I didn’t want to do that, so monkey time it was.  It worked, and I didn’t fall and break myself today!

That’s all I accomplished though.  The heat combined with climbing up and jumping off the truck many multiples of times wore me out early, and so I’m back here with another iced coffee, watching an episode of Buffy, and writing this.  I’m OK with that.

Lovely long piece of 4x4 I got for free.

Lovely long piece of 4×4 I got for free.

I removed the few nails present, and removed as much of the metal as I could, then hammered the rest flat.

I removed the few nails present, and removed as much of the metal as I could, then hammered the rest flat.

One thing I learned on the first Oliver's Nest is to work smarter, not harder.  Clamping the boards together and cutting them all at the same time just makes sense.

One thing I learned on the first Oliver’s Nest is to work smarter, not harder. Clamping the boards together and cutting them all at the same time just makes sense.

The ends aren't perfect, but they are pretty good, and will work.

The ends aren’t perfect, but they are pretty good, and will work.

This is the edge I leaned over in order to screw through the planks up into the doubled end-joists.

This is the edge I leaned over in order to screw through the planks up into the doubled end-joists.

I used a block of wood to ensure the doubled joists stayed level with each other as I screwed each plank in from below.  Worked really well.

I used a block of wood to ensure the doubled joists stayed level with each other as I screwed each plank in from below. Worked really well.

I hope you were able to solve a problem or two today.  It feels good. 🙂

Digging Deep

***How embarrassing it is to wake up and find you’ve hit “publish” on a half-written, mostly-incoherent, rambling rough draft.  Well!  To those who saw it, please disremember!  I claim being awake for almost 48 hours plus a nice Merlot….***

I’m having trouble with this post.  I’m torn between focusing on the actual, physical build, and my “process” ~ an often confusing mix of inspiration, depression, impulse and frustrating errors.  Maybe it’s different for people who don’t have “issues” to contend with, but needing to get life done while contending with anxiety and depression is a real struggle for me.  I have tasks I NEED to accomplish.  I don’t know the timeline, never having been in this situation before, but obviously at some point I will have to leave and have safe and secure shelter.  Yet, equally strong at times is my inability to get those tasks done due to fear and/or depression.  It’s a quandary.  Yes, I take medications, and they help, but too often not enough to keep me out of bed.  2015 has been a very full year.  At least I’ve been awake for a much greater portion of it than 2013-2014.

To sum up advancements on Oliver’s Nest v.2.0 and other goals:

  • The Beast is up and running great again.  A total blast to drive. 🙂
  • Floor framing on flatbed completed except for bolting it together.  That must wait til the fuel filler ports are moved.
  • Mockup boxes for new fuel filler ports in place.  These will hold the ports until the wall framing is in. They are super rough looking but work as intended.
  • Cabover sleeping area started.  More on this later!
  • Packed up for long-term storage the few things I want to keep but will have no room for in ON.  It’s not a lot of stuff, mostly some books, pictures, artwork I love, and other misc stuff.
  • Pared down my belongings again to the point where in theory it should all fit into Oliver’s Nest when the interior storage is finished.
  • Lost 40 pounds!  Still have 25 to go.

So.  As I’ve already said many times, the wall framing can’t be done until the fuel filler ports are moved (I have the appointment for it still on the books, but after meeting with two super-nice and knowledgeable guys from a local Ford truck club, I want to try to do at least the back one myself.  I’m planning on starting that process today…intimidated but determined).  I have my stack of 2x3s and 2x4s for the walls beside the Beast, ready.  In fact, I have a nice work area set up with everything I (think I) need to get the walls completed.  I’ve decided to go with T1 11 for the sheathing.  It’s strong, reasonably attractive, easy to work with, and affordable.  If I can move the fuel ports myself, I’ll be buying the sheathing this month.  Crossing fingers!

During my organizing/paring push, I unearthed a great find ~ thick slabs of old utility poles I’d forgotten I had.  I dragged them to my new work area, cleaned them up, and cut them into planks.  I used these for the foundation of my cabover sleeping area.  I love using reclaimed materials, and these were free, which makes it even sweeter.  I had to take a selfie once they were in place, laying down in exhaustion but very happy to have gotten this done.  Yes, I am filthy!

There hasn’t been a gratuitous critter pic in quite a while, so I’m posting a shot of huge Leo, who keeps me company while I work.  He’s a rescue I adopted last year, a loving and happy boy.  I was stuck in the nursing home, recovering from my injuries for several months soon after taking him in, and it has taken months to gain his trust after that abandonment.  It feels good to finally have reached a solid friendship with him.  My mother’s cat likewise has adjusted to her absence and my presence.  He definitely is OK now, affectionate and happy and constantly pestering me for attention.  On those days when I can’t get out of bed, he keeps me company.

Now, the pictures. WordPress is not being friendly to me today, so the pictures are a bit disorganized.  Sorry ’bout that.

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Screwed down until replacement by actual walls.

The new location will make refueling much easier.

The new location will make refueling much easier.

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DIY cutting fence

Some of the rough-cut planks were about 15 feet long by 12" wide.  Heavy stuff.

Some of the rough-cut planks were about 15 feet long by 12″ wide, and an actual 2″ thick. Heavy stuff.

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Error! Error! Made my first cut in the wrong place. Don’t have enough of the wood to replace, so making do. It’s still strong, and won’t show once the framing is finished.

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Much neater cutting around the metal bracing than down on the bed. Looks good.

Fits nicely.  The gaps are not an issue.

Fits nicely, with some minor gaps. These don’t affect strength at all. This will be the sleeping area, and is 7 1/2′ by 5′. Enough room for a queen mattress, and will have 3′ of headroom, not bad for a Tiny Home.

Resting on the cabover sleeping base, happy :)

Resting on the cabover sleeping base, happy to finally have this process finished.

Next up, framing the subfloor in the cabover.

Next up, framing the subfloor in the cabover.

Big black Leo boy!

Big black Leo boy!

I Fought The Wood, And Won (Mostly)

Such a dead-simple design…sill, rim joist, joists.  Attach and feel joy and pride.  But even though I picked out good quality lumber (straight and true), it STILL wanted to move around, go askew, and even fall on me for a little laugh.  But I have something that conquers working alone with lumber, even 10ft lengths of 4×6: clamps!  Clamps are the single most helpful tool a person working alone can have, I swear.

Looks all nice and innocent, doesn't it?

Looks all nice and innocent, doesn’t it?

What a fight to keep the pieces all where they belonged!

What a fight to keep the pieces all where they belonged!

Had to figure out how to drill through 7

Had to figure out how to drill through 7″ of wood with a 5″ spade bit.

Clamps and scrap wood help (and a hammer to pound things into place).

Clamps and a couple of scrap wood pieces help (and a hammer to pound things into place).

I found more saved up stuff that came in amazingly handy.  I used to haunt the local ReStores in the area, and I especially liked buying nails and screws and whatnot. I have a big container of 6″ long hot-dipped galvanized “nails” (more like spikes) that I got for about $5, and they ended up working perfectly for the joining the joists to the rim joist (remember, I used a 4×6).  I had to pre-drill holes, and one of the joists did split a bit due to the thickness of the nails, but overall they did work quite well, and hammering those in gave me a good workout, to boot.

If only the bit had been a couple inches longer, the joists wouldn't have split.

If only the bit had been a couple inches longer, the joists wouldn’t have split.

I don't know what these nails are made for, but they worked for this.

I don’t know what these nails are made for, but they worked for this.

I still haven’t fixed the issue of working around the metal braces, but I think I’ve come up with a plan for handling it.  What with the angles and placement of the metal, I’m going to have to be creative. The last picture shows the area I’m referring to, specifically the very front part where the angled metal bar hits the frame.  .

Need to work around these braces on both sides.

Need to work around these braces on both sides.

I am going to work on this part today, as I can’t attach the end joists behind the cab until it’s done.  Then I’ll attach the end joists at the other end of the bed, and THEN It’ll be time to wrestle the 3/4″ plywood sheets into place.  Google tells me each sheet weighs approximately 70lbs.  That’s a lot of awkward weight to heft 4 ft into the air by myself!. Plus, the sheets are stored about 300 ft away so I need to figure out how to even get them to the truck.  They will made a good, rigid sub-floor.

And the sub-floor is in place, I can start framing the walls.  Thankfully the studs are only 2x3s and weigh very little.  It will be a nice change.  I’m using 2×3 studs because RV windows are designed to take a 3″ thickness at the most, and I want this build to be as quick and easy as possible.  The trade-off is less insulation, but even 2 1/2 inches of insulation is better than most campers.  It’s also quite easy to heat such a small space.  Plus, the floor and the roof will both be quite well insulated.

Anyway.

Wish me luck and lots of energy.

I think I need more coffee….

Hopefully you are all enjoying your day!

Framing And Using Reclaimed Insulation

I’ve been collecting building materials for literally years.  Some of it I’ve used already in various projects, some have sat there, collecting dust and waiting.  One of my favorite finds was 2 full sheets of 2″ polyisocyanurate for only $8 each.  That’s incredibly cheap for quality insulation, at approx 13 R-value.  And now it has finally found a use. 🙂

First though, some pictures showing the steps I’ve taken so far.

Equivalent to a home's foundation.

Metal frame is the equivalent to a home’s foundation.

Reclaimed metal roofing panels set onto the truck frame.

Reclaimed metal roofing panels set onto the truck frame.

Had to cut around the metal bracing.  Wood is set on special barrier to protect it from metal condensation.

Had to cut the rim joists around the metal bracing. Wood is set on special barrier to protect it from metal condensation.

Used a 4x6 for the rim joist as I needed the thickness to match up with the bolt holes in the truck frame.

Used a 4×6 for the rim joist as I needed the thickness to match up with the bolt holes in the truck frame.  Once I get them installed it will all become clear.

Didn't have quite enough to cover the whole bed, so used 1/4

Didn’t have quite enough polyisocyanurate to cover the whole bed, so used 1/4″ layers of some rigid insulation to fill the gap.

So it looks like the blue insulation isn’t laying level in the last picture.  That is due to the metal panels having ridges which are pushing the pieces of insulation up.  Once the joists are in, the insulation will be perfectly fine.  This type of insulation is rigid, and doesn’t easily get squashed (which loses R-Value).

I’m a real fan of insulating well. This bottom layer of insulation isn’t the only one for the floor.  I’m using 2×6 joists set at 24″ On Center, as I already have a supply of Roxul that sized for that opening.  Roxul, like polyisocyanurate, handles moisture well and isn’t susceptible to bugs.  So these bats will go between the joists, creating another level of insulation.

In the last picture is one joist that I place there just to admire it 🙂  Nothing is bolted, nailed or screwed down yet, as I need to return the bolts I bought and get longer ones…sigh.  I always end up returning something I’ve sized wrong…at least this is an easy fix.

For the mess of metal bracing behind the cab, I believe I’ve figured out a solution.  I got hot and tired so didn’t do it yesterday, but will today as soon as I get back from the hardware store with the proper bolts.  I will take pictures, although it might look wonky.  You asked for the pictures, and you shall have them!

I’ll also show the bolts installed to show the strength of the framing.  This will be a good, strong little space.

These are the holes that are placed every two feet along the edges of the truck bed.

These are the holes that are placed every two feet along the edges of the truck bed.

Thanks for reading my little blog about my little house Oliver’s Nest.  I appreciate it very much!

Peace to you all.

A Tiny Bit of Progress (Ha!)

I started the framing last night and finished up using the materials I had easily available this morning.  So, not much done, but it’s a start, right?

I’m still into using reclaimed/repurposed materials as much as possible, so for the truck bed I laid out metal roofing panels as the bottom layer.  Here’s a pic:

2x6 sill plates, reclaimed metal roofing panels as bottom of bed.

2×6 sill plates, reclaimed metal roofing panels as bottom of bed.

That green stuff is a protective layer of special fabric to keep the metal and the untreated wood separate.  Metal just loves to condense water, and I don’t want the wood laying in that, of course.  I’ve had the fabric for forever, and it’s fantastic to finally get to use it.

Also got the sill plates cut to measure and drilled out for the 3/8 galvanized bolts that will hold the house to the truck frame.  5 holes along each side of the bed (every two feet).  The very front-most hole on each side is in the way of future studs, so I chiseled out enough wood around the hex head to allow the bottom stud plate to sit flush on the sill plate.  A picture showing what I’m painfully trying to describe:

Dug out wood around the head to allow it to sit down/flush with the sill plate.

Dug out wood around the head to allow it to sit down/flush with the sill plate.

I just realized I should have taken pictures of the “fancy” cutting I had to do to work around the metal supports behind the cab.  I’ll try to remember to do that tomorrow.

Then I ran out of 2x6s so had to stop.  The next step is putting in the floor joists and rim joists.  I need 7 boards for that as I’m using a 24″ OC spacing.  I don’t mind a bouncy floor, if that does happen, and according to span tables, the floor will be more than sturdy enough.  Until I was run off by the hot hot sun I marked off the joist spacing, so once the boards are here I can get right to placing them.  Yes, I double- and triple-checked my measurements.

So far so good.  This build should (crossing my fingers) go smoothly, now that I have some construction experience.  It’s nice to be doing this again 😀

Another thing I can do tomorrow is see if the studs in the original Tiny House are long enough to use for the floor joists.  I need them to be 7′ 7″ long, so it’s a possibility.  Here’s to hope!

Offline Antics

I just got a taste of off-grid life I’ve been dreading ~ no internet.  I’m still in the middle of a city, and cut off from my life-line….

One of the consequences of choosing land way out in the wilderness is a lack of  amenities.  No easy-on power, no land phone lines, no internet (no 4g or even 3g).   Spotty cell phone coverage.  No fire department close by, nor police presence. I  bought the property knowing all of this. Good thing I like simple living, right?   Being certifiably nuts helps, too….

It took a couple days for the Comcast-free lifestyle to sink in…No Netflix?!  No  quick google searching?  What’s going on with Pinterest today, who’s emailed me,  what can I expect from the weather?  Ack!  Simple breathing exercises helped with  the adjustment.  Once the panic (seriously, panic) subsided, I remembered a precious  thing ~ books.

Oh, lovely books.  I have such a huge library, even after purging time and time  again, that I don’t anticipate running out of reading material for years.  However!   Most of them are boxed up and stored away and not accessible in preparation for my future move.

I also kept busy with the build.  The top plates are on, all windows and doors  framed in, and some other details attended to.  I used the time to revisit proper  roof framing, too.  So glad I have Building Construction Illustrated, by Francis  D.K. Ching.  I will use it again and again while building the other structures I’ll  need.

I finally found and purchased a pretty sink.  It definitely was a bathroom sink, but  is deep and wide enough to do dishes in.  Kitchen sinks are just not attractive to  me, and seem to run either very large or laughably small.  If not for living in this  trailer, I’d not have known how important having a big enough sink is. I’m totally  over wanting a “cute” tiny kitchen sink.

Last, I unexpectedly located two more windows from the Tacoma ReStore.  If I’d found  the windows even a day or two later, too much would have to be changed in the  framing, so the timing was very good.   I decided to move the two 4-foot, non- opening arched windows from the loft and replace them with the new, openable (is  that a word?) windows to allow more air flow and cross breezes.  One of the arched  windows is now framed in over the french doors.  The other is being kept for a  planned add-on once Oliver’s Nest is in place on my land.  I love that the addition  will sport an identical window, tying it in with the original space.  Oh, and the  new windows I found?  $25 each.  Brand new.  Same brand as most of the others I  have, too.  Very big smile on my face.

Newest windows framed in

Newest windows framed in

 

So very tall!

So very tall!

 

I still haven't re=stacked the barn wood

I still haven’t re-stacked the barn wood… There is so much more than it looks like here.

 

 

So lucky to have found great windows that match

So lucky to have found great windows that match

 

Gratuitous critter pic.

Gratuitous critter pic.

Reclaimed Wood: Sweat + Time = Treasure

Things are moving ahead.  The pasture is  cleared of stacked wood (yay!), over half of the barn wood has been de-nailed and had the worst bits cut off, a large amount of 4x4s and 4x6s have been found and look great (!), and the tree overgrowth is getting whacked.  Feels good!

Those 4x4s and 4x6s are at a minimum 8 feet.  Some are over 12 feet.  Since they came from the barn’s interior, they are in perfect shape, other than some nails and green growth.  Well, everything here has green growth.  It’s the way of the Pacific Northwest to cover anything and everything with life….Anyway, the plan is to clean them up and use them in the build.  I’ve decided to use the 4x6s for the loft beams.  I love that by doing so, the supports can be placed much farther apart, thus making more perceived headroom underneath.  I also love not having to buy more lumber, and as always, I love reusing materials.  The 4x4s will be used as headers for the doors.  Nice!

Building a house on the cheap means compromises.  I’ve had to put up with piles of stuff EVERYWHERE for several years – even dragging some of the piles with me when I moved here.  It’s been absolutely worth it (for me, if not for house-mates or mothers).  Some of this stuff came free from a nearby closing metal recycling place, lots from the barn, Craigslist, the local ReStores, donations (which also involved accepting things I really didn’t want), and plain ol’ scrounging.  I’d call all that a compromise, when compared to a quick jaunt to the local lumber mill to buy exactly what you want, when you need it.  Another possible downside is the necessity of drawing up plans in accordance to what you have on hand instead of the other way ’round.

I don’t know.  I’ve been ok doing things this way, but I can see it being literally unbearable for other folks.  It adds a ton of effort.  If you can view it as an opportunity for creativity and thriftiness and keeping your carbon foot-print low, then the effort is worth it.  It becomes…an adventure.